Comments on: The Ramble: Can you really build your way out of a traffic problem? http://dresramblings.com/2006/08/18/the-ramble-can-you-really-build-your-way-out-of-a-traffic-problem/ Musings on the Magic City Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:48:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Andrew Olds http://dresramblings.com/2006/08/18/the-ramble-can-you-really-build-your-way-out-of-a-traffic-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-468 Andrew Olds Wed, 30 Aug 2006 02:27:49 +0000 http://dresramblings.com/?p=791#comment-468 Hey Dre- One simple point...who will be able to afford to use this toll bridge? The poor workers who are already unable to get to jobs along 280? The public discussion seems to be focused on the poor suburbanites stuck in traffic...but maybe it's the truly poor low-income workers who have to suffer a terribe public transit system that we should be planning for. Hey Dre-

One simple point…who will be able to afford to use this toll bridge? The poor workers who are already unable to get to jobs along 280? The public discussion seems to be focused on the poor suburbanites stuck in traffic…but maybe it’s the truly poor low-income workers who have to suffer a terribe public transit system that we should be planning for.

]]> By: Andrew Olds http://dresramblings.com/2006/08/18/the-ramble-can-you-really-build-your-way-out-of-a-traffic-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1244 Andrew Olds Wed, 30 Aug 2006 02:27:00 +0000 http://dresramblings.com/?p=791#comment-1244 Hey Dre- One simple point...who will be able to afford to use this toll bridge? The poor workers who are already unable to get to jobs along 280? The public discussion seems to be focused on the poor suburbanites stuck in traffic...but maybe it's the truly poor low-income workers who have to suffer a terribe public transit system that we should be planning for. Hey Dre-

One simple point…who will be able to afford to use this toll bridge? The poor workers who are already unable to get to jobs along 280? The public discussion seems to be focused on the poor suburbanites stuck in traffic…but maybe it’s the truly poor low-income workers who have to suffer a terribe public transit system that we should be planning for.

]]> By: Brian R. http://dresramblings.com/2006/08/18/the-ramble-can-you-really-build-your-way-out-of-a-traffic-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-467 Brian R. Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:40:50 +0000 http://dresramblings.com/?p=791#comment-467 I have a few thoughts: If Birmingham and ALDOT decide to add any more lanes to highways in Greater Birmingham, they should be HOV only - this would prove a much bigger bang for our tax buck and would motivate many to actually make the effort to find a carpool buddy. Birmingham desparately needs a comprehensive transit plan. (Isn't this one of RPC's jobs?)At some point, city and state leaders have gotta step up and for once become proactive with respect to transit (and development in general!). An elevated band-aid on 280 will only treat the symptoms of congestion, and temporarily at that. Lastly, I live in Helena and have two active railroad lines that pass within 300 yards of my house. It's loud sometimes, but I'm used to it! There was a time in the not-to-distant past when passenger trains stopped at the Helena Depot on their way to and from Montgomery. If there was a passenger train that came through here that could get me back and forth to Birmingham every day, I'd proudly hang my car keys by the front door! I have a few thoughts:

If Birmingham and ALDOT decide to add any more lanes to highways in Greater Birmingham, they should be HOV only – this would prove a much bigger bang for our tax buck and would motivate many to actually make the effort to find a carpool buddy.

Birmingham desparately needs a comprehensive transit plan. (Isn’t this one of RPC’s jobs?)At some point, city and state leaders have gotta step up and for once become proactive with respect to transit (and development in general!). An elevated band-aid on 280 will only treat the symptoms of congestion, and temporarily at that.

Lastly, I live in Helena and have two active railroad lines that pass within 300 yards of my house. It’s loud sometimes, but I’m used to it! There was a time in the not-to-distant past when passenger trains stopped at the Helena Depot on their way to and from Montgomery. If there was a passenger train that came through here that could get me back and forth to Birmingham every day, I’d proudly hang my car keys by the front door!

]]> By: Brian R. http://dresramblings.com/2006/08/18/the-ramble-can-you-really-build-your-way-out-of-a-traffic-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1243 Brian R. Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:40:00 +0000 http://dresramblings.com/?p=791#comment-1243 I have a few thoughts: If Birmingham and ALDOT decide to add any more lanes to highways in Greater Birmingham, they should be HOV only - this would prove a much bigger bang for our tax buck and would motivate many to actually make the effort to find a carpool buddy. Birmingham desparately needs a comprehensive transit plan. (Isn't this one of RPC's jobs?)At some point, city and state leaders have gotta step up and for once become proactive with respect to transit (and development in general!). An elevated band-aid on 280 will only treat the symptoms of congestion, and temporarily at that. Lastly, I live in Helena and have two active railroad lines that pass within 300 yards of my house. It's loud sometimes, but I'm used to it! There was a time in the not-to-distant past when passenger trains stopped at the Helena Depot on their way to and from Montgomery. If there was a passenger train that came through here that could get me back and forth to Birmingham every day, I'd proudly hang my car keys by the front door! I have a few thoughts:

If Birmingham and ALDOT decide to add any more lanes to highways in Greater Birmingham, they should be HOV only – this would prove a much bigger bang for our tax buck and would motivate many to actually make the effort to find a carpool buddy.

Birmingham desparately needs a comprehensive transit plan. (Isn’t this one of RPC’s jobs?)At some point, city and state leaders have gotta step up and for once become proactive with respect to transit (and development in general!). An elevated band-aid on 280 will only treat the symptoms of congestion, and temporarily at that.

Lastly, I live in Helena and have two active railroad lines that pass within 300 yards of my house. It’s loud sometimes, but I’m used to it! There was a time in the not-to-distant past when passenger trains stopped at the Helena Depot on their way to and from Montgomery. If there was a passenger train that came through here that could get me back and forth to Birmingham every day, I’d proudly hang my car keys by the front door!

]]> By: Curtis http://dresramblings.com/2006/08/18/the-ramble-can-you-really-build-your-way-out-of-a-traffic-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-466 Curtis Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:13:49 +0000 http://dresramblings.com/?p=791#comment-466 (the following information is according to a flier I just picked up at the Chamber) Two public meetings have been scheduled. Displays and graphics will illustrate items such as the U.S. 280 Corridor features, and describe the upcoming public involvement activities. Representatives from Figg Engineering Group and the Progress 280 Task Force will be on hand to meet with interested members of the community. A brief presentation on the project will be given at 3pm and 7pm describing how our community can create a vision to solve our U.S. 280 traffic congestion. ========================== EASTERN SEGMENT discussion (I-459 to Eagle Point Parkway) Monday, August 28th @ Birmingham Marriott Hotel 3590 GrandView Parkway, off 280 south of I-459 2pm to 4pm OR 6pm to 8pm (both have same info) ========================== WESTERN SEGMENT discussion (Elton B. Stephens Expressway to I-459) Tuesday, August 29th @ Birmingham Marriott Hotel 3590 GrandView Parkway, off 280 south of I-459 2pm to 4pm OR 6pm to 8pm (both have same info) ========================== (the following information is according to a flier I just picked up at the Chamber)

Two public meetings have been scheduled. Displays and graphics will illustrate items such as the U.S. 280 Corridor features, and describe the upcoming public involvement activities. Representatives from Figg Engineering Group and the Progress 280 Task Force will be on hand to meet with interested members of the community. A brief presentation on the project will be given at 3pm and 7pm describing how our community can create a vision to solve our U.S. 280 traffic congestion.

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EASTERN SEGMENT discussion (I-459 to Eagle Point Parkway)
Monday, August 28th @ Birmingham Marriott Hotel
3590 GrandView Parkway, off 280 south of I-459
2pm to 4pm OR 6pm to 8pm (both have same info)
==========================
WESTERN SEGMENT discussion (Elton B. Stephens Expressway to I-459)
Tuesday, August 29th @ Birmingham Marriott Hotel
3590 GrandView Parkway, off 280 south of I-459
2pm to 4pm OR 6pm to 8pm (both have same info)
==========================

]]> By: Curtis http://dresramblings.com/2006/08/18/the-ramble-can-you-really-build-your-way-out-of-a-traffic-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1242 Curtis Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:13:00 +0000 http://dresramblings.com/?p=791#comment-1242 (the following information is according to a flier I just picked up at the Chamber) Two public meetings have been scheduled. Displays and graphics will illustrate items such as the U.S. 280 Corridor features, and describe the upcoming public involvement activities. Representatives from Figg Engineering Group and the Progress 280 Task Force will be on hand to meet with interested members of the community. A brief presentation on the project will be given at 3pm and 7pm describing how our community can create a vision to solve our U.S. 280 traffic congestion. ========================== EASTERN SEGMENT discussion (I-459 to Eagle Point Parkway) Monday, August 28th @ Birmingham Marriott Hotel 3590 GrandView Parkway, off 280 south of I-459 2pm to 4pm OR 6pm to 8pm (both have same info) ========================== WESTERN SEGMENT discussion (Elton B. Stephens Expressway to I-459) Tuesday, August 29th @ Birmingham Marriott Hotel 3590 GrandView Parkway, off 280 south of I-459 2pm to 4pm OR 6pm to 8pm (both have same info) ========================== (the following information is according to a flier I just picked up at the Chamber)

Two public meetings have been scheduled. Displays and graphics will illustrate items such as the U.S. 280 Corridor features, and describe the upcoming public involvement activities. Representatives from Figg Engineering Group and the Progress 280 Task Force will be on hand to meet with interested members of the community. A brief presentation on the project will be given at 3pm and 7pm describing how our community can create a vision to solve our U.S. 280 traffic congestion.

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EASTERN SEGMENT discussion (I-459 to Eagle Point Parkway)
Monday, August 28th @ Birmingham Marriott Hotel
3590 GrandView Parkway, off 280 south of I-459
2pm to 4pm OR 6pm to 8pm (both have same info)
==========================
WESTERN SEGMENT discussion (Elton B. Stephens Expressway to I-459)
Tuesday, August 29th @ Birmingham Marriott Hotel
3590 GrandView Parkway, off 280 south of I-459
2pm to 4pm OR 6pm to 8pm (both have same info)
==========================

]]> By: Danny http://dresramblings.com/2006/08/18/the-ramble-can-you-really-build-your-way-out-of-a-traffic-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-465 Danny Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:04:31 +0000 http://dresramblings.com/?p=791#comment-465 I lived in Atlanta some years ago, and the Journal-Constitution looked at the issue of traffic congestion. Their conclusion (or the conclusion of a study they cited) was that more lanes was not a solution to traffic problems. It created temporary relief, but ultimately, the problem would be as bad as ever. Public transportation is the way to go. I lived in Atlanta some years ago, and the Journal-Constitution looked at the issue of traffic congestion. Their conclusion (or the conclusion of a study they cited) was that more lanes was not a solution to traffic problems. It created temporary relief, but ultimately, the problem would be as bad as ever.

Public transportation is the way to go.

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